Thinking of upgrading

[jojo]

Though my current MB works very well, it won't run Windows 10. Tried every upgrade available but stil not.

Anyway, I'd like to buy a new Motherboard.

These are the specs I'm looking for.

Asus. Because its a good make, strong and I don't see a lot of point in cheaper options.

i7 Because its about the most advanced available and I don't see a lot of point in getting somehting that will become obsolete soon.

Gaming.

Over clocking possible. I have this on my current board and confess, never used it. But I may want to do so at some time.

Doesn't need to be from a particular vendor.

Chipset

This is at the thinking stage right now, but failing a major upset, I will be taking this route in the forseeable future.

Would appreciate any advice. Frankly, my head is spinning at what I am finding.

[vikingken]

You must have won the Lotto Jojo, if your going the Intel i7 route. There isn't the difference that there used to be, but AMD is still cheaper and the bits all mount up. You need an expensive motherboard if your going with i7, no point in building on a cheap foundation. You cant start with a top shelf processor and skimp on everything else, its top shelf all the way. You could build an AMD rig for about half the price and it will still outlast you. 

Overclocking isn't all its cracked up to be, you have to know what your doing and be prepared to blow your rig up. I could never make enough difference to warrent the pile of burnt out junk I was collecting. Modern computers will overclock themselves safely and dont like user intervention.

[jojo]

Thanks ken. I intend to aim toward Intel.

What I'd really like though are some MB recommendations.

The research I have been doing is leading me in circles. References to specific chip sets but no indication as to why that is is best. Others recommend other chip sets again without reasons.

When I bought my current MB it was by recommendation and it has certainly served well. But while it still works well, it is just so old.

I was directed to this board: ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero Intel Z170 (Socket 1151) Motherboard www.novatech.co.uk/products/components/motherboards/intelsocket1151/z170chipset/maximusviiihero.html

But the CPUs are having iffy reviews. www.techspot.com/products/processors/intel-core-i7-6700k-4ghz-socket-1151.121266/ Plus the CPU is quad core. I know Intel have 6 cores available. That would mean a different board.

I found a supplier who offers one for less that 300 bucks it-supplier.co.uk/intel-bx80662i76700k-processor-bx80662i76700k

But all of this pails beside the prospect of how long it will be before this particular group of components is obsolete.

You get the problem. I lack the inside knowledge to understand the market.

I'm aiming at the best I can get. I just need some information.

[mikkh]

I'm with Ken, can't see the point of expensive Intel rigs when all you're really buying is bragging rights.
If you're determined to go with Intel, I would be looking at a top end i5 and upgrade to i7 when it becomes more affordable in a few years time myself
And with computer building companies feeling the pinch more than most, it's no longer cheaper to build your own like it used to be. You can get a fully built PC for the price of the parts - or even slightly less in a lot of instances

You seem to be gearing up for DDR4, so you might want to glance at this before deciding to take that path
www.pcgamer.com/the-differences-between-ddr3-and-ddr4-ram/

As for future proofing, there's no guarantees that even the system you outlined won't be looking a bit dated in as little as 5 years and we'll definitely be having this same conversation in 8-10 years time, when 16, 32 or even 64 core CPU's are likely to be the norm

[jojo]

Thanks. Good info.

I wasn't thinking of DDR4. To be honest, that's the first I'd heard of it. But that's why I asked for information here. The problem is, everyone assumes not just that everyone knows what all these things are, but that they even exist!

I knew memory existed. but now, thanks you, I know there is a new generation of memory out there and that it is, shall we say, controversial.

So, now I think I have a grasp on memory. Not a lot, but enough to start and to not feel like an utter **** when it is mentioned in a discussion on chipsets.

Can anyone describe what are the different chipsets? What are the advantages relative to each? Which are the newest and which are getting so old now, they probably won't be making them very soon?

[jojo]

Been reading through the review on this rather interesting board.

It may be beyond the needs of most, but the descriptions on the various components are interesting and informative.

www.computershopper.com/components/reviews/asus-x99-deluxe#review-body

[vikingken]

Very nice Jojo. That board and processor, you have topped 1100 quid and still have all the other bits to buy. My V8 AMD Bulldozer cost about that finished, with 32 gig RAM and 2 high end graphics cards.

My custom built V4 Intel i7 laptop, cost over 1500 quid with 16 gig RAM.

My home builds are always AMD, but my laptops have always been Intel.

I agree with Mikk, its more expensive to build them now. The big companies are bulk buying the parts. Nothing says you cant buy an off the peg and improve on it, if your a bit selective about what you buy in the first place.

Novatech will custom build within limits, but even they are a bit more expensive than the very big companies. They will build you a custom laptop and they leave room for a bit of upgrading when you feel like it. Of course they will do the same with a desktop and your not stuck with what you got, as can happen with an off the peg.

 

[jojo]

I say this, not intending to be in any way offensive to you or anyone, but the cost if anything in this issue is surely irrelevant.

I did actually make a point of saying I was not interested in cheap.

I'm looking for information yet all I am getting from you both is negativity and can't do.

I like and respect you both. But it's information I need. Especially on the current cutting edge of technology, but also some stuff for lesser mortals which is not due for a pension book.

I know you have it. I will be grateful for that. I am well capable of taking care of my wallet.

[vikingken]

If cost isn't an issue Jojo, I'm sure you can build something the like of which me and Mikk will never see. You will have to get advice from the heavy duty gamer sites to build it, I'm afraid I have given up on checking out gear I wont ever need. I'm not scared of spending money, but I try to stay within the realms of reality and the hardened gamers go way over the top.

[Pete]

Hi all take care and stay keen.