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Post by jojo on Jul 30, 2015 22:42:34 GMT
The good news is, My wife's computer is now working fine. I think, for some reason, the download just slowed down and it took a while.
I didn't need to use the w10 disc after all, but it's nice to know its there now.
I ran belarac advisor and notice that there are now two different product numbers. One beside Internet Explorer, the other beside 8.1. I presume it is the one beside 8.1 and for reasons us mortals don't need to know, M$ has decided to continue using that number for W10.
After switching off for a few mins and back on again, it's gone to back blank screen.
A search of the web isn't any help, telling me what I should have done before I started or that my machine isn't up to it.
Kinda disappointing really. In many ways.
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Post by jojo on Jul 31, 2015 12:26:14 GMT
After sitting, doing nothing for over an hour, the OS did eventually spring back into life. It would appear I set the OneDrive to upload and this decided to prevent the OS form loading. Either that or something wanted to down load.
In any case, it has also shown up another problem that, some of the apps are incredibly slow. Also, almost everything nags you for some payment, before eventually offering you the free bits.
That's kinda annoying but Applish.
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Post by jojo on Aug 1, 2015 11:11:58 GMT
The Edge Browser has become a bit sluggish when loading adverts.
Installed Chrome and Ad Block Plus.
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Post by mikkh on Aug 2, 2015 10:03:23 GMT
Anyone like me struggling to get the 'get Windows 10' app doing anything but asking you to wait can use the official Microsoft tool to kickstart it into life www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10This tool gives you two options - 1) upgrade now or 2) download USB or ISO file to install on another PC NB There is an option to download both 32 and 64 bit versions of the ISO, which I did to save time - or thought I was saving time. It's a single file which doesn't fit on a standard DVD! So now I'm downloading them as separate files
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Post by vikingken on Aug 2, 2015 12:19:46 GMT
I have not been offered an upgrade to Windows 10 on my laptop running Windows 7. That might be due to me not installing 74 important updates and 5 optional updates. If I did install them, there would be another 174 patches to put them updates right. They would be followed by a few more assorted updates. As my OS is authentic if unupdated and I'm not sure why M$ would think I would want to waste time installing a load of updates for an OS I'm about to wipe out. Windows 10 has been out for a few days, so I expect it will have 74 important updates and 5 optional updates all of its own by now.
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Post by jojo on Aug 2, 2015 14:10:36 GMT
The MajorGeeks link will let anyone with W7, update. I've burned a copy of W7 and sent it to Africa for some relatives to use. Their connections are quite slow so internet updating would take forever. I have actually installed Windows 10 on a blank disc as a clean install. It is unregistered so far, I can do this later. I just fancied testing it first. www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/windows_10.html
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Post by alexham36 on Aug 4, 2015 13:36:52 GMT
Well, I have updated my Win7 and the Microsoft icon appeared in the bottom right of the task bar, so I reserved a free copy of Win10. It would be useful to know what to expect, so that I could reorganize my system, assuming the Upgrade allows it. I am running Win7 on a 50GB partition and WinXP on another HD on a 100GB partition. Ideally, I would like to install Win10 on top of WinXP and leave Win7 as is. If that is not possible, then I would prefer to download Win10 onto a DVD and upgrade later.
By the way, I see that Win10 is available to buy for nearly £300. Are they serious? It would be cheaper to buy a £200 laptop running Win8 and get a free update!
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Post by jojo on Aug 4, 2015 15:23:23 GMT
The update to W10 is for W7. You loose W7.
It's posible to download a copy of W10 to burn onto a DVD from the MajorGeeks link. I have down,loaded several, a 64bit version for my wife, a 32 for myself, whch I can't use because my CPU is old, and a 32 bit French version for relatives in Africa who also want it but their connections are so slow.
It is much faster than W7. But about equal to or a bit slower than XP.
I will strognyl suggest you try to keep XP for as long as possible. Whatever it's failings, it works, is stable and is what you (and I) are used to.
If you have a few bucks to spare, you might think about buying a 120Gb or 220Gb SSD. You can then install W10 on that. But once you activate it, I'm not sure what will happen to your W7.
Incidently, you have a month to change your mind and roll it back.
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Post by shadowmonty on Aug 5, 2015 5:53:11 GMT
I just ran Belarc and was running windows 7 but updated to windows 10. according to Belarc the operating system in the computer is windows 8.1 are we being had ?
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Post by mikkh on Aug 5, 2015 6:33:26 GMT
Ken
You can use the Microsoft tool (media creation tool) to upgrade from a bare Windows 7 with no updates installed at all - I did it myself last night on a friends laptop, so I know it works
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Post by jojo on Aug 5, 2015 9:44:25 GMT
I just ran Belarc and was running windows 7 but updated to windows 10. according to Belarc the operating system in the computer is windows 8.1 are we being had ? A rose by any other name...... I noticed that as well. Don't know. Addition. I am officially now stuck on W7. I can't update that because it thinks my CPU lacks some new function. I can't insatll manually and enter the licience number because it won't recognise it. So, I'm officially an XP user and will be banging the drum for it for a while.
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Post by vikingken on Aug 7, 2015 2:38:25 GMT
Thanks Mikk, I might give it a try. It wont hurt to try it, I will use a Paragon image to restore Windows 7 and not roll back. I will also make a Paragon image of Windows 10; that way it will be a legal upgrade, no matter when I decide to put it back on.
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Post by alexham36 on Aug 7, 2015 9:05:15 GMT
Just wondering how is Windows 10 update going to be installed "automatically in the background" when my computer is in Suspend state when I am not using it. I am limited to 10GB per month, so I download large files and programmes after midnight when there is no limit. Can I decide when the update is to be downloaded? Anyone knows?
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Post by jojo on Aug 7, 2015 10:01:48 GMT
Suggest you download the DVD.iso from MajorGeeks and burn that to disk. The you can update to W10 at your leasure.
You simply run from W7. When it asks you if you want to accept the automatic (or somehting like that) settings, select Advanced (or something like that) and turn off all of them.
The advantage of using a disc is that the speed of the process can be painfully slow, due to the numbers wanting to do it, all over the world.
The size of the download is less than 3Gb.
You can also pass it onto your friends.
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Post by alexham36 on Aug 7, 2015 10:38:04 GMT
Suggest you download the DVD.iso from MajorGeeks and burn that to disk. The you can update to W10 at your leasure. You simply run from W7. When it asks you if you want to accept the automatic (or somehting like that) settings, select Advanced (or something like that) and turn off all of them. The advantage of using a disc is that the speed of the process can be painfully slow, due to the numbers wanting to do it, all over the world. The size of the download is less than 3Gb. You can also pass it onto your friends. That is indeed another option, jojo and I am very tempted to try it. Would a DVD just update Win7 or can it be used to install Win10 on an empty HD?
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Post by alexham36 on Aug 7, 2015 13:12:16 GMT
Just checked the status of my "reserved" update and got the message that Win10 cannot be run on my computer because NVidia GeForce 6150SE nForce 430 is not compatible with Win10 and the manufacturer has not made any updates. I suspect that it is no point in contacting NVidia, because they are not likely to update their software just for me, so any suggestions would be welcome. Do I just wait to see if NVidia makes the right move?
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Post by jojo on Aug 7, 2015 13:58:11 GMT
I got that but on mine, it didn't like by CPU!.
It will install W10 from scratch. I did this.
Sadly, while I have no problems with my W7, M$ refuses to accept my Licience number for W10.
The option to clean install or upgrade is at the start.
Next day addition.
And remember, when it asks if you want it to automatically set the settings, select custom and turn every one off.
In the unlikely event you change your mind you can easily turn them back on again.
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Post by mikkh on Aug 7, 2015 17:08:08 GMT
Nvidia won't update an old card, that's Microsoft being ultra optimistic and trying to soften the blow The minimum requirements say a DirectX 9 compatible card, but that's Microsoft being optimistic again and stretching the truth. What they really mean is some better quality DirectX 9 based cards might work. If this is a laptop you're talking about then you're basically out of luck, but if it's a desktop PC, installing a more modern card should allow the upgrade something like this DirectX 11 card would do www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products&pid=6607
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Post by alexham36 on Aug 8, 2015 8:55:49 GMT
Thank you, Mikkh. It is a PC, so installing the card that you are recommending would not be a problem, but may I ask if that card will work with my other OSs? I am running WinXP(32bit); Win7(32bit); PCLinuxOS and Puppy.
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Post by jojo on Aug 8, 2015 14:49:46 GMT
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Post by mikkh on Aug 8, 2015 21:13:29 GMT
Shouldn't be a problem installing that card in Windows - 10 should find it automatically, but XP (and probably 7) will require drivers - the one supplied in the box will do just to get it running, but it's likely to be well out of date as that card is about 4 years old.
Linux and ATI/AMD Radeon cards wasn't a good idea in the past, but the situation has changed over the last 5 years and they are well supported now. Puppy should be straightforward and automatic, but PClinuxOS might complain and leave you staring at a blank screen. It's fine if you start a fresh install with an ATI card in place, but switching from Nvidia to ATI can cause problems.
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Post by alexham36 on Aug 10, 2015 15:08:24 GMT
There is an article about Windows 10 in last Sunday's Sunday Times, in the Drive supplement. It advises readers not to rush to update, because a better vesion will become available in, say, 6 months and the manufacturers of Sound and Video cards will have had time to prepare new drivers. I have been in touch with Power Computing in Bedford, from whom I bought my PC and they have recommended a compatible Video card, which would cost me £50 and the card that Mikkh recommended is about £30. Niether is expensive, but what I would like to know is what will I get from Windows 10 that I am not already getting from Windows 7? In fact, I am getting all I want from WinXP and any of the 3 Linux OS that I am running.
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Post by vikingken on Aug 11, 2015 15:29:25 GMT
According to the Windows adverts on the TV; little tots will be geniuses, because they will be growing up with Windows 10. Yanks dont leave school till they are about 38, so I guess M$ have got no plans for another OS for a very long time.
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Post by vikingken on Aug 23, 2015 7:56:28 GMT
Thanks Mikk, took your advice and used the Media Builder to install on my mini netbook. I thought it might speed it up a bit, from Windows 7 Pro. Not sure about it, having trouble with my browsers except IE 11. I am using MSN at the moment and it seems to be working now. I will give it a few days to settle down and if it continues to play up, I will put a Paragon image of W 7 back on. It found all the drivers, W 7 had to have some installed from a disk.
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Post by straker on Aug 23, 2015 15:21:00 GMT
Wow I'm not the only one having problems upgrading to Windows 10 then. On my last PC I upgraded from XP to windows 7 ultimate and for quite a log time after I kept getting notices saying is this a legal copy. I ignored it for quite a while. I then contacted them (NOT EASY) and told them all the info re. my Windows 7, The Cert of authenticity and code, The name and address of the company where I purchased it from. I received a email back saying my O.S. was OK, legal Etc. and they would offer me a free upgrade to windows 10 when it was completed, a couple of week ago they said I could now upgrade to W10 I went through the process but I could not get the PC to work it just kept going round various notices, i.e. Your PC ran into a problem and needs to restart. we are just collecting some error info and then we'll restart for you, (the PC switched off and on a couple of times) Then (It looks like Windows didn't load correctly. If you'd like to restart and try again, Choose "RESTART MY PC" Otherwise choose "SEE ADVANCED REPAIR OPTIONS" etc. etc. etc. My PC would not restart with windows 7 it just kept going round the same instruction again and again. I could not get my PC to do anything, I contacted windows Help via the wife's PC and got through a girl who went through all the various things to do to get my PC back up and running but to no avail, she told me we needed a grade 2 techno helper, One would contact me shortly, I then got an email saying they are very busy and would be with me I within the next 48 hours, a couple of days later I got another email saying they are very busy and would be with me I within the next 48 hours I tried to contact them on the telephone and got through to a person call Kevin who whispered and could not speak English anyhow, Hence my new PC with Windows 10, but I really want my Windows 7 ultimate back, Have a nice day "H"
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Post by jojo on Aug 23, 2015 17:21:14 GMT
Do you have a W7 installation disc?
Load that in and choose the repair option.
If you don't have a w7 installtion disc then download the ISO and burn into a disc.http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-windows_install/where-can-i-download-windows-7-iso-i-have-a/7d964b05-2be9-4800-bc7f-3ca30356fc3d?auth=1
If it loads W10 you can ask for it to revert to W7. I'm not sure where the option is, but you have a month from the initial installtion.
Good luck and keep us posted.
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Post by vikingken on Aug 24, 2015 6:05:30 GMT
I think you can just do a System Restore to get back to Windows 7, you will probably have to select the Additional Options though. I made a Paragon image, then I got rid of all them extra Windows 7 restore files. I dont keep anything unless I'm going to use it and I can do a Paragon restore in a few minutes. Windows Restore is much better than it used to be, but I still dont fully trust it and Paragon has never let me down. I do sometimes use System Restore, but the Windows 7 restore files are separate to that and found in Windows Disk Cleanup.
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Post by straker on Aug 27, 2015 11:28:18 GMT
Hi jojo, yes I have the installation disk, I have tried to re-install W7 from the disc but it would not recognise it. the PC just kept trying to load windows 10 and saying "It looks like Windows didn't load correctly. If you'd like to restart and try again, Choose "RESTART MY PC" Otherwise choose "SEE ADVANCED REPAIR OPTIONS"
Hi Ken, I also tried to System restore to get my windows 7 back That option was in the "ADVANCED REPAIR OPTIONS" I could not leave the setup program that I hade started, The local PC fixer seamed to think that windows thought my version of W7 was not legal and that is what caused the problem.
Oh well thank you anyway, ATVB "H"
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Post by vikingken on Aug 27, 2015 14:40:32 GMT
I'm not sure Howie, just guessing really. Until Windows 7, Windows wouldn't let you install an earlier version. Even when you wanted to install 2 versions on one computer, you had to install the older version first. Windows 7 allowed you to install an older version on the same disk, (separate partition of course. ) Maybe they have gone back to the old way with Windows 10, thats my guess. The way round it is to delete the Windows 10 OS from the disk and then format the free space for the Windows 7 installation. Even if the disk is a Pirate, it should install and its probably only Windows 10 thats stopping it. You can use the Windows 7 disk to delete Windows 10, use the Additional Options before starting the installation and make yourself a blank disk.
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Post by straker on Aug 29, 2015 9:01:40 GMT
Hi Ken. I tried all I could to revert back to W7 but the W10 installation would not stop the installation cycle, it just kept going round and round all the options, W10 installation would not let me out of the installation. even with the System restore I could not get my windows 7 back. I couldn't even get the window help line to show me what to do, the person I was in touch with said they would need a grade 2 techno assistant to sort this one. But an email from them said they were busy and would be back to me within 48 hours, about 48 hours later there came another email saying they were busy and they would be back with me in the next 48 hours. So I have bought a new PC now with W10 already installed. the shop were I got it from managed to download my info from the old HD and install it on my new PC. I think I will have another play with the old PC when I round to it. (SOME DAY) Cheers Ken. Read more: computertypes.proboards.com/thread/8235/upgrading-windows-10?page=4#ixzz3kBxBP4eR
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