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Post by alexham36 on Jun 22, 2015 21:03:34 GMT
I am running Win 7 and I have seen emails on my Hotmail address that "automatic" upgrades to Windows 10 will become available from 29th June. I have also heard that WinXP users will be offered free update and I am running that OS too. I am concerned about the "automatic" part of this offer, because I am running some applications that are rather dated, but I like them. I'd be very interested to hear what the experts advise.
Many thanks,
Alex
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Post by jojo on Jun 22, 2015 21:40:11 GMT
Trun off automatic updates immediatly, especially in XP.
If you can I will tyen suggest you also turn them off in Services.
If you later decide to update W10 you can easily reverse the process. But for XP, you would be rather silly since XP is faster, more stable and works.
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Post by mikkh on Jun 22, 2015 23:17:06 GMT
I didn't think XP was included in the offer myself and it will be a step too far for a lot of computers running XP anyway
A quick google reveals what I originally thought, it will NOT be offered to XP users - and it makes no logical sense to do so because of the generally poor hardware current XP users have got.
It can't possibly run on the vast majority of XP machines, so why would Microsoft give themselves such a nightmare scenario
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Post by vikingken on Jun 23, 2015 16:40:23 GMT
No matter what the hardware is, XP wont even upgrade to Windows 7 and therefore wont upgrade to Windows 10.
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Post by buzzy on Jun 24, 2015 8:55:14 GMT
Obviously I have been following the articles regarding the update from Windows 7 to Windows 10. It seems that some existing versions of earlier programs such as M$ Office 2003 will NOT work on Windows 10. I also have an Epson Stylus R340 Photo printer which is still a superb machine and works well on Windows 7 having got the relevant driver updates from Epson themselves.
Is it going to be feasible to stay with Windows 7 Home Premium (64 bit)? I also have a Canon LIDE 210 scanner.
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Post by jojo on Jun 24, 2015 9:06:58 GMT
I can't say personally, but I am still surprised at the numbers who boght the nonsense that XP would be unusable.
If M$ do want to make things difficult for W7 users it will almost certainly be by installing some update. The nag screen slipped into one of the last XP updates was quite easy to get around.
The real test will be when we discover the reason for this apparent generosity.
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Post by vikingken on Jun 24, 2015 15:23:28 GMT
M$ only promise it free for a year for Windows 7 users, there is no telling how much they will want to keep it going. I think its free to Windows 8 users, as W8 is worse than useless. Its no more than the free trials they have had before, although they were mostly for the BETA testers and this is supposed to be a finished working system. I dont think M$ even finished XP, they have never actually finished anything.
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Post by mikkh on Jun 26, 2015 10:30:53 GMT
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Post by buzzy on Jun 26, 2015 14:14:10 GMT
Thanks Mikkh
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Post by mikkh on Jul 27, 2015 20:32:40 GMT
Still not got the 'Get Windows 10' icon in your taskbar? superuser.com/questions/922441/why-don-t-i-have-the-get-windows-10-iconCopy the script provided into a new text file, rename it to anything-you-like.cmd and run it as administrator (just type CMD in the search box, RIGHT click it and pick run as Administrator) It's on a loop till it contacts the server and takes between 5 and 30 minutes to actually complete - so don't panic at the repeated output You'll know when it's done because you'll see the extra icon bottom right in the taskbar Just worked for me anyway, after I spent hours doing updates over the last week that is |
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Post by mikkh on Jul 27, 2015 20:39:30 GMT
.... and the free for a year offer just means if you haven't accepted after a year, then it will cease to be available. It's free forever if you accept in that time frame according to several sites I looked at
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Post by jojo on Jul 27, 2015 23:02:16 GMT
I'm finding my W7 is getting more and more sluggish. There's practically nothing on the drive, only three programs. It was always slow compareed to XP but more so lately.
I haven't been offered W10 yet and wasnn't planning on doing so, mainly because the max memory my machine can take is 4Gb, as an indication that it's quite old.
Would you suggest I stick with this arrangement or will W10 somehow be faster?
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Post by merchant42 on Jul 28, 2015 5:43:29 GMT
This is the requirements for Win 10
Processor: 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster processor
â—¾RAM: 1 gigabyte (GB) for 32-bit or 2 GB for 64-bit
â—¾Hard disk space: 16 GB for 32-bit OS 20 GB for 64-bit OS
â—¾Graphics card: DirectX 9 or later with WDDM 1.0 driver
â—¾Display: 1024x600
So you should be OK, I have been on the Insider program for the past 6 months and While it is a lot lot better than Win 8 (not a hard thing to do !!)
I will stick to Win 7 and upgrade near the end of the year once the bugs have been ironed out
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Post by buzzy on Jul 28, 2015 9:36:05 GMT
For interest, Windows 7 will be supported by M$ until 2020 for those interested.
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Post by vikingken on Jul 28, 2015 13:34:51 GMT
I still find Windows 7 very fast, but even my laptop is quite powerful. Windows 7 Pro is slow on my mini netbook, but thats not got a lot of guts. I think the idea of Windows 10, it will fit on a small hard drive and Windows 7 is a very large system. These days everyone seems to want a little computer that they can carry about with them and Windows 7 just wont fit. My Mini isn't very big, but its quite a lump compared to what people are using now.
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Post by jojo on Jul 28, 2015 15:07:56 GMT
I got W7 to run a spcific program. Sadly, with all the updates released that program repeatedly crashes on my machine. So I'm going to update to W10. Frankly, what do I have to loose?
If someone could come up with a decent OS that actually works, right now, I honestly think they would be lending Bill Gates money.
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Post by mikkh on Jul 28, 2015 17:24:03 GMT
Jojo
When I tried the Windows 10 beta they offered, I was surprised to find it was less resource hungry than Windows 7, both in hard drive space and RAM usage
4 GB max RAM should not be a problem, it will run in 2 GB (well limp and hobble more than run) 3 GB would be better and the full 4 GB would allow multiple programs to be open without complaining too much
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Post by jojo on Jul 28, 2015 23:32:02 GMT
Though I only tweaked a few W7 services, those have been tunred back on. Accped all updates, including the optionals. But no sign of the W10 offer. Ran the routine you listed above (June26 11:30am) Reading through the article superuser.com/questions/922441/why-don-t-i-have-the-get-windows-10-icon The only possibility is it doesn't recognise my copy as genuine. Now one service I haven't activated yet, because it was widely reported as being problematic is Windows Activation Technologies Service I might chance this. Not sure. |
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Post by vikingken on Jul 29, 2015 10:17:44 GMT
Unless the system is authenticated, even a genuine copy will be classed as pirate by M$. I dont understand why its not been shut down though, if its not been authenticated inside of so many days. Most pirate copies have some files removed, that prevent it being shut down. Its the genuine copies that are victimised, but it prevents the same key number being installed on more than one computer. You can use the same disk to install as many computers as you like, but each computer has to have a different key number. Retail copies can be installed on another computer with the same key, as long as the first computer has been scrapped.
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Post by jojo on Jul 29, 2015 12:12:10 GMT
I bought my key from a Microsoft Gold Partner. It should be the real deal. But let's face it, with no means of checking if a Gold Partner is actually one................ I might just dive in and turn it on just to see. Then if I lose W7 it's no big deal really since I don't use it very much. I'll think about it. Edit. I'm pretty certain my copy is genuine:  |
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Post by jojo on Jul 29, 2015 12:14:04 GMT
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Post by jojo on Jul 29, 2015 14:22:58 GMT
Using the Majorgeeks link I have managed to install W10 on my spare drive. It was slog, with long periods when nothing seemed to be happening. Plus usual frustrations. I skipped past the screen to enter the licence number. I'll do that later. For now, It's finally loaded and I'm typing this using their edge browser. More news as I get it. Next step is to find my licence key and enter that. Smoke me a kipper...ect.... Addition. So, logged into the W7 drive to find the product key. There on the bar was the icon offering me a W10 upgrade. Clicked that and it retured the following:  Strange, since I have managed to install and run a copy of W10 on this computer already. It could be that some of the functions won't work. Not sure what those will be. I can say that on W10 my audio doesn't have any driver. Have to look a bit more carefully. |
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Post by vikingken on Jul 29, 2015 15:46:38 GMT
As you have the Genuine Windows sticker, it must be OK Jojo. Turning off the service after registration, might be your trouble. As I have never heard of any trouble with the Windows Activation service, mine has always been turned on. Since my last bout of cancer 2 years ago, I have lost interest in computing and have no idea what that service does anyway. Computers mechanically haven't changed much over the years, its only prats like M$ who insist on slipping something new in on the software and I cant be bothered keeping up with them.
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Post by vikingken on Jul 29, 2015 15:51:38 GMT
They might have done the same thing as they did with Windows 7 Jojo. The BETA was light and very fast, even on a weak computer. When it was released it was a completely different different animal and needed a bit of poke to run it properly.
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Post by jojo on Jul 29, 2015 16:05:46 GMT
They might have done the same thing as they did with Windows 7 Jojo. The BETA was light and very fast, even on a weak computer. When it was released it was a completely different different animal and needed a bit of poke to run it properly. Think you're right. The more I look at W10, the more uneasy I get. There's a big STORE icon so they are obviously hoping to use the OS as a sales outlet. No word on which software will run. I have some which I've used for years, looks like that will go. They put a Start button in, wow. But the interface is just completely different. Frankly, it's becoming annoying. Wonder how long this machine can keep going?  Sympathies over your episode of cancer. I had a rather different health scare, none-the-less scarey. |
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Post by vikingken on Jul 29, 2015 18:58:17 GMT
I have lived with cancer for over 12 years and I dont find it scary Jojo, just inconvenient. Since the long stay in hospital, I have lost interest in a lot of things and technology happens to be one of them. If I use Windows 7 until I'm 110, someone might have come out with something better by then. |
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Post by jojo on Jul 29, 2015 22:01:03 GMT
I have lived with cancer for over 12 years and I dont find it scary Jojo, just inconvenient. Since the long stay in hospital, I have lost interest in a lot of things and technology happens to be one of them. If I use Windows 7 until I'm 110, someone might have come out with something better by then. Understand ken. Though I tend to doubt anything very impressive will come out now. It's about bling. Cool apps that do things which we don't need. More importantly, it's about find more ways to make us spend money. I wasn't really surprised to discover that the Steam OS was just a load of things to buy, I am somewhat disappointed to see it happening to Windows. It's what the so called smart phones really are, ways to make us spend. I don't really know if there will be a place for hobbyist computers in the near future, I suspect not. We've had 20 odd years of wandering around the net, getitng free this and that. The future is about spending. Apps to spend. That is the Steve Jobs effect. That he managed to sell it to us all as something good, even a savour from Microsoft. I don't know if you've studied economics on any level, but this is basically moniterism taken to its logical extreme. Sad really. But 'nough said I suppose. I haven't really been affected by depression to the same extent as you seem to be. It may sound preverse, but in the couple of days before my wife came home and took me to hospital, I'd accepted things and was quite happy with what was my likely fate really. Since then, I've been on a bit of a high. I can't hold my hands steady any more, which is a nusance for someone who was looking forward to using a soldering iron again, but frankly, I fall asleep several times a day so am rarely bored. I have managed to have a good long read with my Muriel Spark collection, something else I always wanted to get into. And since I usually fall asleep in the middle, each book lasts ages. I think Ms Spark would have found that amusing. |
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Post by mikkh on Jul 30, 2015 6:29:02 GMT
Q6600 is an old quad core CPU (one of the most sought after for overclocking in it's day btw) but it's still on a par with a modern i3 (dual core), which is obviously more than adequate for Windows 10 because a lot of budget PC's in the near future will be based on the i3 and have Windows 10 pre-installed
It also beats any Windows phone CPU quite easily I should imagine, but they'll be running Windows 10 quite happily too
I would suspect it's a typical misleading Windows error message - pointing to one thing but meaning something else
And that something else could well be the 32 bit system you have. Microsoft claimed they would be supporting 32 bit for Windows 10 ages ago, but I can't see why they would want to myself unless it's to support POS and similar embedded systems. It may be a correct error message, but it makes a mockery of their minimum hardware requirements and looks like a strong arm tactic to force people to upgrade
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Post by jojo on Jul 30, 2015 7:43:39 GMT
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Post by jojo on Jul 30, 2015 18:46:43 GMT
Well, after the plesent experience with Windows 10 on my machine I decided to install it on my wife's.
Hers is a laptop running W7 64 bit.
Wouldn't you know it, its crashed.
I tried repairing the W7 with a W7 disc but all it can find is the W10 installation.
I'm currenyl burning a W10 to disc to try and repair it that way.
I was too confident. I backed up her files of course. But din't bother to take a copt of her Licience number.
If this goes wrong I may not survive the night. Smoke me a kipper....
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