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Post by jojo on Jul 28, 2014 12:43:57 GMT
I have an old PC notebook, which has been lying around for years. Like to get it working if I can.
It is quite small about 8 1/2" X 5 1/2". It is a CnM Mini Book. The manufacturer was CnM. Their web address, cnmlifestyle.com is dead. It runs a version of Linux
The battery is long gone, but I can power the machine up using the external PSU.
No HD, the memory is an old SD card.
I have managed to get it to connect to my wifi. It confirms this in its WiFi setup page with Connected IP Address:XX.XX.XX.XXX
The browser is Bon Echo, which I understand was Firefox 2.
Be great if I could connect to the web, but sadly, entering addresses into the browser is returning a Server Not Found error with the details:
Check Address ect.
Check Connection, ect.
If your computer or network is protected by a firewall or proxy, make sure that Bon Echo is permitted to access the web.
Now, The address is OK. The connection is claimed to be OK. That only leaves the Firewall. I have opened the page on my Virgin Media Superhub. There doesn't seem to be any apparent place to check for exclusions. Also, while the Superhup IP page says my computer is connected, it doesn't indicate the Notebook is.
So, notebook receiving the signal OK but Hub not recognising the notebook.
Any suggestions?
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Post by mikkh on Jul 28, 2014 18:10:47 GMT
400 Mhz (MIPS (I'd never heard of it till now)) CPU, 128 MB RAM, 2 GB SSD - ouch!
Lot's of dead links and tales of woe while researching it suggests it's not worth bothering with
Even if you got online, most of the internet would be unavailable because the last (semi) working flash for it was V6 according to one of the links I read
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Post by Pete on Jul 28, 2014 20:37:40 GMT
Sounds like fun Jojo, wonder if the Linux version called puppy, would work on that?
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Post by jojo on Jul 28, 2014 21:26:54 GMT
I was thinking along the same lines Pete. mikkh's points had occurred, but thought there may be a possibility of updating the OS in some way.
I'll have another play about with it, perhaps see if I can pick up any information.
I agree with you Pete, playing about with it will be a laugh. Especially since it has three USB ports.
Anyway, thanks to both of you for your attention.
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Post by mikkh on Jul 29, 2014 7:45:09 GMT
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Post by vikingken on Jul 29, 2014 16:21:09 GMT
Dont change a thing Jojo, it will work perfect as a doorstop just as it is.
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Post by jojo on Jul 29, 2014 21:08:43 GMT
It may yet surprise us all. Or not. I shall see and you will know.  |
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Post by Pete on Aug 2, 2014 20:50:26 GMT
Let us know if you get it working with the web, you may find a Linux only browser may take up less space, Konqueror maybe, who knows.
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Post by jojo on Aug 5, 2014 21:22:19 GMT
I can't seem to connect the net yet. I've tried wireless and wired, every setting configuration available. I have set it to static and entered the details manually. It acknowledges the wireless modem, even saying which IP address it is connected to, but none of the programs intended to connect to the net can do so. Bon Echo, email, Sylpheed 2.4.1 or the news feeds. It also uses Pidgin for IM.
I think I may need drivers for the LAN. Sadly, I can't figure out which these are or where to get them.
Wireless LAN Supported: Wi-Fi(IEEE 802.11 b/g) Fixed LAN Supported: 10/100MB/s Ethernet Port
I understand The wireless router is linksys provided as part of AOL package. That's as much as I can find about that.
I have thought about altering the settings in my router itself. But I'm reluctant to simply dive in and play about, without some more knowledge.
Anyway, in the absence of any further information, I'll continue to search. There has to be a solution, probably quite simple. I can't access the ROOT or anything other than the file tree.
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Post by Pete on Aug 6, 2014 20:30:28 GMT
I would think that if you can get on the web with your other computers, through this router then you may not need to change any settings on the router. Of course I am probably wrong.
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Post by vikingken on Aug 7, 2014 2:05:02 GMT
Normally the only things that needs to be set up on a router, is the firewall and network password. The firewall setting is on or off. As long as you put in the set type of security and password into each of your computers, there is no need to alter the router. You only need the password for WiFi, a direct cable connection should get straight online. Drivers are a different matter, but thats down to the operating system and nothing to do with the router.
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Post by jojo on Aug 7, 2014 14:28:54 GMT
Appreciate those points ken, all looked at, which is why I get the feeling it may be drivers.
The thing is, it recognises the WiFi signal, even returning the correct IP address, saying it is connected. So the WiFi driver is fine, but I can't use any of the programs to sue the signal.
The hard wired plug in should, as you say, work immediately, but it doesn't.
I'm thinking, If I can find any suitable Linux program, which can suit the machine, I could load it using the SD card and see if that works.
The problem is of course, Linux has a silly loading procedure, using one program to load others.This version has the imaginatively named, Add-Remove.
Addition.
Case in point. I found this pagehttp://www.libre-software.net/how-to-install-firefox-on-ubuntu-linux-mint
Seems ideal.
I click on the link, but the version I am offered isn't .tar, it's 7z Setup SFX, which the Linux machine can't read!
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Post by hawnik on Aug 7, 2014 18:38:09 GMT
Hi Jojo, just chipping in my 2 bits worth  Have you tried a ping test? I am making the assumption that if the notepad have worked in the past and if nothing changed then the notepad is most likely to be ok (apart from software corruption or hardware failure on the part of the notepad network adapters). Wired and wireless connection are made via different adapters and so your notebook should acquired 2 different IP address depending on which mode you are connecting. Forget about wireless for the time being and just concentrate on wired connection. Based on what you have mentioned previously, your notepad acquired an IP address from DHCP from your router. This means that you have at least a 1 way connection. Check and verify that the acquired IP is within the range of your local domain (most local IP address of routers are set as 192.168.1.1 but it can be different. Check the notepad IP is the range of 192.168.1.XXX) Now try pinging your router's IP address (or your desktop PC's IP address) to see if you have a normal ping response. If the response is ok then you have a 2 ways connection (ie a LAN connection) and your notepad is likely to be ok. Also, try pinging an internet site address like www.google.com and the ping response will most likely to fail (this is normal based on what you have mentioned) If above router/PC ping is ok, check that if your router have MAC address filtering activated. If it is you can either deactivate it or enter the notepad's MAC address into the access table to allow it to access the internet (2 address needed - 1 for wire and 1 for wireless) Hope all work out ok soon and good luck to your investigation. |
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Post by jojo on Aug 7, 2014 21:10:11 GMT
Hi hawnit. Thank you so much for your contribution. Firstly, the ping test. this involves accessing the command line doesn't it? Sadly, I have no access. I'm sorry to have to admit, I lack the knowledge to do this any other way: www.wikihow.com/Ping-an-IP-AddressThe LAN will only work with static. I did try setting it to DHCP, but it failed acknowledge the router. Below are a series of photos to show you what I am dealing with. The first is the confirmation that the unit is connected. In the photo the strength is 20%, but this is usually nearer 90%. I had to move it to get the photo  The second shows the WLAN settings  The third shows the security protocall. I have tried it with both, either and none. But to no effect.  The fourth shows the Wired settings:  The fifth is from my modem and shows the available security settings. It is normally set to WPA Auto  The sixth shows the recognised connections. Note, there is no wireless connection listed. The notebook is still on and claiming it is connected.  I'm dealing with matters that are, as yet, beyond my knowledge. I'd really appreciate some. I have been working on possibly installing a more modern browser, based on the possibility that the current one is obsolete, hence it won't connect. Sadly, these days, nothing is downloaded complete. I tried downloading Firefox, but inspite of the claim it being Linux, the file is intended for Windows. To pursue my currentl line, I need a complete program, as a single file, of a browser intended for Linux. I plan to put it onto the SD card and then move that to the Notebook. Then try to install it. But any other reasonable suggestions will be welcome. Another is possibly a Linux routine to actually probe past the installed programs and access the ROOT directory. |
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Post by hawnik on Aug 7, 2014 23:00:08 GMT
Hi again Jojo
I am getting confused (easily done). Where did you get the IP address 86.16.68.XXX from?
I assumed that the first 4 screen shots are those from your Notepad.
If DHCP is not working then I assume the Pic2 static WLAN settings are entered manually.
Pic3 is the screen shot when you try to connect with the password prompt to access the router.
Pic 2, 4 & 5 suggests your router IP address is 192.168.0.1 and Pic5 shows you have 1 network device "Fred" is connected to the router with IP address 192.168.0.3
These IP addresses are internal address local to your network. Similarly your neighbor may have the same set of IP address but is local to their own network and is completely independent to your. What is different is your external IP address which is assigned to you by your ISP (Virginmedia) and you won't have to bother with it at all.
If DHCP is working, your Notepad should be assigned with an address begin with 192.168.0 and the last number will range between 2 to 254 as 1 and 255 are used by the router. e.g. 3 which is used by Fred.
Your router will only accept IP inside the address range 192.168.0.1 to 192.168.0.255 and since your notepad address (arbitary assigned I assume) fall outside this range, it will not allow you to connect.
You can try assigning the notepad address to say 125 (half way ie 192.168.0.125) to see if it will connect.
Since your Linux is based on Debian, do you have access to "terminal" or any RUN option where you can enter the word "terminal"? This will bring up a screen similar to DOS command line screen where you can do the ping response to check your LAN connectivity.
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Post by hawnik on Aug 7, 2014 23:17:35 GMT
Forget about the last paragraph, I have just saw a Youtube CnMBook Review and no, you have no access to that.
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Post by jojo on Aug 7, 2014 23:30:38 GMT
Just about to go to bed but must try some of these. Thank you so much for responding. The address 86.16.68.XXX I found in the router page 192.168.0.1 I had to play about with what was available as the panel was blank and there didn't seem to be much clear advice on the net. Yes, all settings entered manually, from trial and error, with some conjecture. 192.168.0.1 is the general access page to set a router. It's usually 192.168.0.1 or 192.168.0.2 or 192.168.1.0 and so on. It's fixed by the manufacturer. Again, experiment to find which one. I can't be logging into anyone else's router as I don't have their passwords. Is this in the Broadcast line? I'll try that out. The Notepad itself suggested 255 Sadly, there is no Run command or similar. I'm hoping to find something to configure things once I get it online and possibly find a routine which might annalyse the hardware. These exist for Windows. I'm often told how wonderful Linux is, so it should have something similar.  Thanks again. Looking forward to any further thoughts you might have. You never know, we might just get the thing working yet. |
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Post by hawnik on Aug 7, 2014 23:47:24 GMT
I was just about to say you must be an insomniac If "Fred" is able to connect to internet and the router using IP 192.168.0.3 then the Notepad IP MUST begin with 192.168.0 You cannot use 255 as it is already used by the router (192.168.0.255). Your router IP address is 192.168.0.1. The router IP varies as mine is 192.168.1.254 but as I have said it varies depend on the ISP. If you set the Notepad IP as 192.168.0.125, its an internal IP for your wireless network for the notepad for both receiving and transmitting. You may need to set your wired network IP to a different address, say 126. Don't stay up too late and good night |
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Post by jojo on Aug 8, 2014 8:41:35 GMT
I've changed the IP address as you suggest to 192.168.0.3. I have confirmed that my IP address is as earlier by checking on Google. But I get a connection with this IP address. I set the Broadcast address to 192.168.0.255 as this is suggested by the machine itself, shown in the photo below. The Netmask remains and the Gateway is 192.168.1 Assuming that is now correct. Looking at the browser itself: I checked my own copy of Firefox and its connection settings are: Use System Proxy Settings. Bon Echo doesn't have this option so I've set it to Auto-detect Proxy settings for this network. I have both encryption protocols, SSL 3.0 and TLS 1.0 turned off. I'm running out of ideas.    |
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Post by hawnik on Aug 8, 2014 13:33:39 GMT
You can not use IP address 192.168.0.3 and 86.16.68.xxx ! (Only need to read the last part of this update) Lets review some facts and "derived" facts: 1. Pic5 shows your router have only 1 wired network device attached to it with IP address 192.168.0.3 (I will assume that this is the PC (called Fred) you are using to access this forum and configure router) and no wireless device detected. 2. Pic2 and Pic4 which is showing the gateway/router IP address of 192.168.0.1 and is confirmed from your last post (a search on internet on "how to setup Virginmedia router" bring me to a virginmedia.com help page also confirms this router address). 3. Derived from router IP address, the broadcast address now became questionable since the address use by the router tends to be assigned closed together and, the address 86.16.68.xxx can not be used at all in any devices configuration on your network. To sum up usable facts so far: 1. Router/Gateway IP : 192.168.0.1 2. Desktop PC IP : 192.168.0.3 (named Fred) 3. Broadcast IP : 192.168.0.  4. All network devices on your network must have address set to 192.168.0.xxx where xxx range from 1 to 255 and this include the router as well which is already pre-configured. Lets take a look at a fictitious network configuration of your network. You have 5 network devices (both PCs and laptops) connected to the router with address assigned as follows: Fred 192.168.0.3 JoJo 192.168.0.10 Hawnik 192.168.0.11 Nutcase 192.168.0.25 Crackpot 192.168.0.37 Router 192.168.0.1 These are all internal address local to your home network and all 5 devices communicates with the router address 192.168.0.1 to access the internet. If the internet connection is down, the 5 devices can still acknowledge the present of the other 4 devices and can undergo normal network activity like file sharing (ie you can still ping each other with correct response) The router itself translate the internal addresses and map it to the external address 86.16.68.xxx assigned to you by your ISP to allow the 5 devices to access the internet. The correct data transfer for the 5 devices with the internet will be the function of the router. Therefor if you do a Google search for "my ip address" on each of the 5 devices then all 5 device will return the same external address 86.16.68.xxx so this test is useless in helping to configure the Notepad. Also this address 86.16.68.xxx is outside the subnet IP range of the router and the router will simply ignore it. You can not use IP 192.168.0.3 because it is also used by "Fred" so you now have an IP conflict and since "Fred" is most likely already switched on using this address so, the router reject this connection from the Notepad in preference to "Fred" which is already connected. Suggested configuration: (Could other Virginmedia broadband members laptop user please check their WLAN configuration and verify. I cannot get broadcast address from Windows 7 laptop boot but can from a Linux boot so a Linux user member may be able to help) Address 192.168.0.10 Netmask 255.255.255.0 Broadcast 192.168.0.2 Gateway 192.168.0.1 Try this and see if the Notepad now appear on your router list of connected devices. |
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Post by jojo on Aug 8, 2014 14:57:33 GMT
I'm learning so much here. Thank you. I've entered the settings you suggested, but sadly no result. Now, I've just had one of those Doh! <slaps head> moments. My wife uses a wireless laptop. (actually, she has two, but it's complicated). Needless to say, I'm not really supposed to touch either. I did manage to take a screen shot of the network setup on one of hers.  Here is online now and this is the result from the modem:  So, hers is recognised. Sadly, not mine. |
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Post by hawnik on Aug 8, 2014 17:50:05 GMT
ok so now we need to find out what the actual broadcast address is.
As you have already found out that Windows does not give you the broadcast address just as I cannot get it from my Windows 7 boot up either.
However, booting from a live Linux CD do give the broadcast address (have tried using LXLE 12 and Mint 7 both give consistent address). We now need input from Linux laptop users in this forum who is also using Viginmedia as their ISP to find out what their broadcast address is and they should be the same.
An alternative is for you to download a live Linux distro and boot up your wife's laptop with it and get the broadcast address from it.
Here is my wireless addresses from linux boot:
Subnet : 255.255.255.0
Gateway : 192.168.1.254
Broadcast : 192.168.1.255
IP : 192.168.1.64
Mean time, you can try changing the broadcast address back to 192.168.0.255 while keeping the other address the same.
Also what happens when you select DHCP connection and, what address are you getting from a wired connection instead of wireless?
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Post by jojo on Aug 9, 2014 11:02:14 GMT
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Post by mikkh on Aug 9, 2014 11:21:31 GMT
It's always 192.168.x.255 for the broadcast address if DHCP is used isn't it. I don't network computers that often, so I don't take much notice
Tried it in Puppy on an old laptop last night (WLAN on virginmedia) that was 255 as expected
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Post by jojo on Aug 9, 2014 11:50:38 GMT
Major embarrassment. Turned on DHCP and now Im connected.
I know I tried DHCP before,in fact, it was the first thing I did try.
Well, I'm in now.
Gonna switch back to my desktop though, this tiny keyboard is crazy
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Post by jojo on Aug 9, 2014 12:05:35 GMT
I have to say, I'm both pleased and surprised. Had a look at the settings, but with DHCP none are listed. Now it might be nice to add some stuff on. Though it's a tine machine, with fiddly buttons and pad click that sound like they come off a steam engine, I'm kinda chuffed that it's working. |
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Post by jojo on Aug 10, 2014 2:30:46 GMT
Any comments on the Angry IP scanner?
From where I'm sitting it looks more interesting than useful, but that's mostly because it is rather beyond my own knowledge.
I entered the search term find Broadcast Address Windows XP and that was one of the listings.
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Post by Pete on Aug 10, 2014 20:20:49 GMT
You have cracked it jojo, and what perseverance you have had. Very pleased it is working now.
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Post by jojo on Aug 10, 2014 20:37:02 GMT
Thank you Pete. I am rather pleased to be honest.
Though seriously, I wouldn't have managed it without your encouragement. I'd have tried, now and again, some new idea. I can't quite figure out why the DHCP didn't work the first time. Still, thanks for suggesting I try again. It's now operative.
It has some USB ports, Think I'll experiment with what I can get working through those next.
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Post by Pete on Aug 11, 2014 10:37:04 GMT
I think of all the useful interface on home computers the USB ports are hard to beat. With the ability to connect up printer, external hard drive etc.
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