trooper
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Must remember to say Hello more often, had quite a nice day today. Sold my car, more room in garage.
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Post by trooper on Feb 11, 2013 9:42:17 GMT
After creating and formating a new partition, what proceedure do I adopt to install a program there? I am using Linux Mint 64bit OK in VMWare Player but the screen size is limited, would appreciate any help to get me going, but Please make it simple. Thanks....Trooper
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Post by johnnybee on Feb 11, 2013 22:52:09 GMT
When you say 'install a programme there', Trooper, are you actually installing a programme, or another operating system? Reason I ask is that you wouldn't normally create a separate partition to install a programme; the usual way of doing that is to use your existing OS - in your case Mint - to install it on the system drive. What exactly are you trying to do?
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Post by vikingken on Feb 12, 2013 2:50:38 GMT
I'm pleased I'm not the only one to be confused by the question John, I didn't know if he wanted to install Mint or a program on Mint. You can run the Program Files on a separate partition with Windows, although I wouldn't advise trying unless you really know what your doing. I dont think you can do it with Linux, it makes enough partitions as it is. I was waiting for someone who is used to Mint, I thought they might understand and I was just a thicky.
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trooper
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Must remember to say Hello more often, had quite a nice day today. Sold my car, more room in garage.
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Post by trooper on Feb 16, 2013 11:29:52 GMT
I had really forgotten that Linx Mint is an operating system, and thinking of it ae a program. Because I can't get 'VMware'to expand to a full screen,i tgiught that if I created a partition, Mint could be RUN on there. So that idea is now 'Dead in the water' so to speak. But is this the place to ask "Can VMware Player be expanded to a full screen"? Sorry for misleading you, no excuses, just got carried away
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Post by vikingken on Feb 16, 2013 18:24:03 GMT
I know just about nothing about VMWare and I havent used a virtual machine for years. You couldn't expand the screen the last time I used a virtual machine, whether the new versions can or not I dont know. If you couldn't, I suspect you cant. I think VMWare was originally developed for servers, so having a full screen wasn't important. I know that sometimes it was necessary to install extra drivers on the parent operating system to get it to work properly, but they didn't specify what drivers and there wasn't any clues there. Its one of those applications, where you need to know someone who uses it on a regular basis. If you dont its all a bit hit and miss, trying stuff out for yourself. The reason I gave up using a virtual machine, was no full screen. Its OK for having a taste of a new OS, but for regular use its got no practical value whatsoever.
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Post by johnnybee on Feb 16, 2013 21:35:26 GMT
With you 100% there, Ken; virtual discs are all very well, but they do have their downsides - that's why I haven't used one in years meself. Going back to the original topic, I'm in the middle of a Linux Evolution, and I do have to say it's not as straightforward as it seems at first sight; Ken put me right on a few issues that I'd missed, mainly to do with where to install the OS and the root folder. The best way of doing it is by fitting a separate drive to the PC so that your windows install doesn't interfere with Linux and vice versa - which is always gonna be a problem, never mind the ball-ache of specifying which OS you want to use on bootup. It's then quite simple to alter the boot sequence in BIOS to boot from the Linux HDD - whatever letter that has - rather than the more usual 'C' drive. Whatever, hope you're a little wiser than you were, Trooper - best of luck!
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Post by vikingken on Feb 16, 2013 23:37:57 GMT
I haven't even messed with Mint John, not any version of it. Every flavour I have installed has got rooted in whatever position it favoured. It was just a matter of putting a tick in the box. I've not got much idea about rooting it myself. I have got an old iMac, that I converted to Linux. I prefered it to Mac OS. That was a bit different to install, but it went on alright and I didn't have to root that either.
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Post by mikkh on Feb 21, 2013 12:20:04 GMT
I use 'virtualbox' in Linux to run a copy of XP and that works fine for the few times I actually need to have access to a Windows system (without rebooting into Windows 7) It does full screen easily. I rate it higher than vmware myself and it's open source freeware available for Windows too. I have to agree a virtual system is a pretty poor substitute mostly though unless you have a good fast host system with plenty of RAM to allocate to the virtual one. There really is no need for it with Mint especially as it should have a file called 'mint4win.exe' on the CD/DVD that allows you to install it to a Windows folder from within a running Windows system.
This is a very good way of running Linux because it does away with partition and boot problems that confuse a lot of newcomers to Linux. Simply run the file and it installs Mint to a folder on the Windows drive, so even if you have just a C drive it's no problem. It adjusts the bootloader of Windows to include Mint and can be removed from Windows too. There is a similar option for Puppy Linux too which is much lighter on resources than Mint and it will add a third option to the Windows bootloader if you choose to install both
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Post by johnnybee on Feb 21, 2013 23:03:01 GMT
Well, bloody hell - the wanderer returns! Good to see you back on the boards, Mikk; Ken was gonna send out a search party to look for you - come to think of it, Ken prob'ly was the search party! Any ole how, my forays into Linux world haven't been partic'ly successful of late; I've related the story of what happened when I tried to install Sabayon - just sitting there in the CMD screen, asking for a response to "root?_" when I hadn't a clue what it was asking me or what the command line should be - no help at all. Later on I installed a 300Gb secondary HDD to the system and copied all the files from the install DVD onto a partition on that drive; however on trying to initiate the live DVD on that drive it went into install, then went into verbose mode and stopped with the Sabayon screen showing and the logo " initialising kernel" at the bottom. No matter what I did, it wouldn't continue and I couldn't escape from it either; eventually I had to bite the bullet and force a restart. Now the bloody thing won't even give me the option of installing - it just goes into a bootloop. Now on the old smokey Joe I installed Mint on a secondary partition of the secondary disc, no problem; what I was trying to do was to avoid getting into a dual-boot scenario. The idea was, as with the Sabayon load, to alter the boot sequence in BIOS to boot from the Linux disc rather than the W7 drive; however, as with most of my "brilliant ideas" the dreaded 'choose your operating system' came up, good as gold on bootup - bugger the thing! Now it looks like I'll have to remove the Windows HD, install Mint onto the Linux drive, then reinstall the W7 drive after - would that do the trick, Mikky?
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Post by mikkh on Feb 23, 2013 3:38:30 GMT
One solution would be to fit a hard drive caddy and simply slot in the drive that contained the OS you want to boot. I don't mind or dread a boot menu myself, it's pretty easy to change the default OS via the grub.cfg file as long as you remember Linux counts from 0 not 1 so a third boot entry would be 2 rather than the more logical 3.
Changing the BIOS seems a bit drastic and in your scenario, you'd have to access the BIOS to be able to switch between Windows and Linux because Windows wouldn't be on the Linux Mint boot menu and Windows definitely doesn't want to acknowledge Linux is there. I always use a single drive myself which contains 3 Windows partitions and 4 Linux partitions. I have the usual C partition for Windows, a 'Data' partition for files I want to use in both systems and a 'Backups' partition for.... well the obvious really. One of the Linux partitions is a 'swap' partition and the other 3 are system partitions for 3 different Linux's. The same 'swap' is used by any of the three btw.
Which system do you mainly use? Have you not tried the 'mint4win' route of installing Mint? That does save a lot of hassle
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Post by johnnybee on Feb 24, 2013 23:12:15 GMT
That was my first move when I installed it over XP, Mikk; trouble was I was only using one 1Tb HDD divvied into five partitions when I tried doing it. Obviously I wound up with a dual boot system on that occasion, which didn't bother me as I was only trying out Mint at the time. Having found it fairly amenable, I then had the idea of installing it on its own hard drive so that both systems were physically kept apart, and I wouldn't have to bugger about choosing which OS to use on bootup. Sadly, that idea went tits-up because Linux wouldn't boot from its own drive - even from the 'mint4win' file, and for some reason I couldn't change the boot preference in BIOS anyway - I sat there for ten minutes dabbing the 'page up' key but nothing happened. Upshot is that I now have Mint9x64 dual-booted with Win7 Ultimatex64 - which wasn't the object of the exercise. Hey-ho - any further ideas?
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Post by mikkh on Apr 30, 2013 10:46:28 GMT
I don't really understand the need to keep them separate, Linux doesn't harm any Windows partitions and Windows can't even see Linux - or pretends not to anyway. I have three Windows (NTFS) partitions one for Windows 7, one I call 'Data' and one called 'Backups' I want to access both 'Data' and 'Backups' from within Linux from time to time, so having them all on the same drive is far easier IMO. I have 4 Linux partitions (well 3 system ones and a swap) and I can view all partitions from any installed Linux.
While Windows refuses to acknowledge Linux, Linux has no such scruples and will always add Windows partitions to it's bootloader - well the bootable one anyway.
Increase the timer on the boot menu, or stop it all together if you want to choose something different at the start of the day. I very rarely want to run Windows and the extra Linux partitions are for brief flirtations with different Linux distros, but mostly I run just the one and it boots by default. Currently PClinuxOS is my preferred choice now they've finally got a 64 bit version
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Post by mikkh on Apr 30, 2013 10:50:16 GMT
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Post by johnnybee on May 3, 2013 17:24:14 GMT
Very pretty, Mikk - wish I could find a way to show you mine, but I can't find any way of uploading it onto the reply dialogue box.
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Post by Lynnrose on May 4, 2013 8:40:09 GMT
JB...just save your picture.....click top of page where it says 'Click to Show/Hide Tinypic....upload your image...copy the URL...paste into your message, easy peasy
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