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Post by elvisuk on Feb 12, 2009 3:18:53 GMT
H! i got another problem now don't know why this has happen dose it when i power up? Primary Slave Drive - ATAPI incompatible. Press F1 to resume. Thanks
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Post by ken on Feb 12, 2009 3:44:05 GMT
When you fitted the SATA hard drive, did you put the old hard drive as a slave to the DVD drive Elvis?? If you have 2 IDE connections, you should put the hard drive as Master on the primary IDE and the DVD on the secondry IDE. If you have only got one IDE connection, put the hard drive as master and the DVD as slave.
KC
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Post by elvisuk on Feb 12, 2009 15:13:37 GMT
H! KC, My H/Drive is a new SATA H/D and my DVD is a new DVD, the dvd has no jumpers on it so i cannot change that, my H/D has jumper connections but no Jumper on it. So if i readying your post right i have to put a jumper on the hardrive and set it to master? Thanks for your help KC ;D Talking of jumpers i think i will go and put on on now
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Post by elvisuk on Feb 12, 2009 15:15:21 GMT
also i am only useing one new SATA H/D no slave drive.
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Post by ken on Feb 12, 2009 16:00:29 GMT
Is your DVD SATA as well Elvis??? if it is, then you must set the IDE hard drive as master. Make sure its on IDE 0 as well. Although SATA drives dont have jumpers, the connections are in pairs. Unless you are setting up a RAID, which your not with one drive. They will still show as master or slave in BIOS, depending on what connection they are plugged into. When not in a RAID they are in IDE mode in the BIOS, but it dont really matter what connector they are plugged into.
KC
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Post by elvisuk on Feb 12, 2009 20:27:52 GMT
H! KC,
Yes the SATA DVD is new and the SATA H/D is new both are SATA i have no IDE's stuff in the computer?
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Post by ken on Feb 13, 2009 4:30:09 GMT
As long as the IDE hard drive is Master of IDE 0, you shouldn't have any bother Elvis. Make sure to take the drive out of the boot order in BIOS though. When left to its own devices, the BIOS will always make the IDE drive the first boot device and then you get the error messages when it cant find a boot sector.
KC
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Post by mikkh on Feb 13, 2009 7:43:06 GMT
SATA drives use IDE emulation on some motherboards - presumably for older operating systems like XP and below to recognise there is a HD attached?
Check the BIOS and look for the following
IDE emulation, is it enabled? I presume you have CD/DVD set first in the boot order for Linux, but look what it says for the second entry, is it HD0 or a named drive or SATA channel? Is 'try other devices' set to YES as a third or fourth option? Set it to NO or disabled if it is
You could also try disabling the IDE channel - usually only one on a modern board with lots of SATA ports
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Post by ken on Feb 13, 2009 15:24:53 GMT
SATA use IDE emulation as opposed to a RAID array. If you have 4 or 6 drives it could be an array or separate drives. Even when in IDE mode after booting it will still say, "No Hard Drives Detected." It only recognises true IDE drives and eSATA as IDE hard drives at that point. Although the fact its booting at all, it must know there is at least one hard drive. If you add an IDE drive to an otherwise SATA machine, BIOS will straight way make it the primary boot and will stall if there isn't a boot sector. When I put a drive in my eSATA docking station, it bypasses the boot manager and boots from the added drive. If I want to leave the extra drive connected, I have to alter the BIOS with the docking station switched on and add it to the boot order. Then I can use the boot manger to control which hard drive I boot off.
As Elvis has probably got 2 IDE connections and his DVD is SATA, I thought he probably had his IDE drive connected to IDE 1. The BIOS were then looking for an optical drive on that channel. If he puts it on IDE 0 and takes it out of the boot order it will ignore it and not give him an error.
KC
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Post by mikkh on Feb 13, 2009 21:35:52 GMT
That plaster must be affecting your eyesight too :-p Hope that gets better soon btw
He doesn't have any IDE drives, it's an all SATA setup in a new machine he's bought, which will almost certainly have just a single (unused) IDE channel
Do you want to lend my spare pair of glasses ?
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Post by ken on Feb 13, 2009 22:58:54 GMT
I thought he added a SATA HDD and DVD to his old computer and kept the old IDE HDD as backup drive.
KC
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Post by roo on Feb 14, 2009 1:55:28 GMT
I remember my Mum warning me about some kind of behaviour that causes blindness . Wish i could remember what is was. I will be sure to let you know if i remember .
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Post by Lynnrose on Feb 14, 2009 9:47:06 GMT
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Post by elvisuk on Feb 14, 2009 13:41:10 GMT
H! KC, ;D No this is a new computer with a New SATA H/D and a New SATA DVD, i did try an old IDE H/D and an old IDE DVD in it but it only has one IDE connector in it, so got SATA Stuff as i have four SATA connectors. (see Piccy)
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Post by elvisuk on Feb 14, 2009 14:04:31 GMT
H! Mikkh. ;D 1. I cant find any IDE emulation in the bios. 2. Boot Order is 1 boot device SATA slot 1. Boot device SATA slot 4 s-st3320. Boot device network nvidia boot agent 249.0 (i have disabled it) 3. Primary IDE Master not Detected. Primary IDE Slave not Detected. 4. It has a raid mode (IDE) set to in on-chip ata devices? (I don't no what it is for so i left it well alone)
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Post by ken on Feb 14, 2009 15:49:03 GMT
OK Elvis, I got ya now. That SATA Mode IDE is your emulator. If you click on it, it will give you your available RAID Arrays. With only one hard drive it doesn't apply to you. As I have tried to explain, some of these SATA setups, get a bit funny when an IDE device is added. I would leave the IDE DVD out and just add the hard drive as Master, but take it out of the Boot Priority (Disabled). Then you can use it as storage and it wont interfere with your boot up.
KC
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Post by elvisuk on Feb 16, 2009 1:23:27 GMT
Well i have been messing with the computer all day today trying to get it going but no go, i power up and 10 seconds later nothing is working the fans are working but my keyboard is not, i can't shut-down unless i turn the power off at the plug i don't now what it can be. Help anybody
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Post by mikkh on Feb 16, 2009 7:21:46 GMT
Seems your keyboard is kaput at first glance then - or it's worked loose
Is it a normal ps/2 one (purple plug) or a USB or wireless one
One of the first things the BIOS checks for is a keyboard being present
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Post by larrye on Feb 16, 2009 13:20:10 GMT
Two of the best minds on CIT and after 5 days can't get Elvis's problem solved? My goodness, what have you done Elvis? LOL
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Post by elvisuk on Feb 16, 2009 13:25:57 GMT
H! Mikkh, Yes it's a PS2 wired old one but i have more keyboards i will give them a go, i have just been trying again and just before it locks up it gives one beep then locks me out? will have to find my link for beep codes now
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Post by elvisuk on Feb 16, 2009 13:34:54 GMT
H! Larry, ;D I have done nothing that's the problem i can't do anything it won't let me And it dose not matter if you have the best mind in the world if you are not in the room with the computer then it is much harder then if you are in the room to fix the problem and it's just as hard for me as well "Two of the best minds on CIT and after 5 days can't get Elvis's problem solved? My goodness, what have you done Elvis? LOL "
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Post by elvisuk on Feb 16, 2009 13:37:37 GMT
Hmm one of them must be me then? ;D "Two of the best minds on CIT "
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Post by ken on Feb 16, 2009 14:15:08 GMT
Your right there Elvis, its a 100 times easier when you have the computer in front of you.
I wish you had been using a USB KB, I can think of several reasons its not working. PS2 should work unless it knackered. I take it you didn't use a hammer drill on the motherboard and I cant think of anything else you could have done to stop it. If you plug in a USB one, you might have to enable it in BIOS. Some do some dont.
You haven't put the keyboard and mouse in the wrong holes have you?? Dafter things have happened.
KC
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Post by elvisuk on Feb 16, 2009 14:39:37 GMT
H! KC, I have just tryed again with another keyboard still the same no go. "hammer drill on the motherboard" not yet soon I have got PS2 to USB connections? i will try them. "If you plug in a USB one, you might have to enable it in BIOS. "i can't as it's freeze up before i can do it. Yes i have about ten years ago, "You haven't put the keyboard and mouse in the wrong holes have you?? Dafter things have happened."
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Post by roo on Feb 17, 2009 4:02:25 GMT
Here are some more ideas, for what they are worth.
Have you tried installing hard drive to motherboard Sata port number 1 . Remove any jumpers, that you have fitted, regardless of how cold it is. : )
Some cheap motherboards might require having a jumper repositioned or switch position altered . I have had to do that with an Asrock board.
Did the board come with a manual? If not you should be able to download one from the makers site .
If no luck.. What is make and model numbers of motherboard and hard drive?
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Post by ken on Feb 17, 2009 11:07:05 GMT
The SATA is all set up on his computer. The hard drive he wants to add is an IDE drive and theres no jumpers controling the IDE connection on a motherboard. Any disabling is done in the BIOS and that only controls the boot order. Any messiing around he's done fitting the HDD, shouldn't have had any effect on the keyboard. Nothing should effect a PS2 keyboard anyway. In some cases a USB keyboard will work on bootup, but fail when when Windows starts unless the USB support is enabled in the BIOS. Most USB wont work at all unless the support is enabled in BIOS, but PS2 is always on. I am sure something has broke, but what that something is..............................
KC
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Post by roo on Feb 17, 2009 12:47:35 GMT
Ken . You keep going on about IDE drives when Elvis has stated he doesnt have any. See posts 13, 2 and 3.
The jumpers i was referring to have nothing to do with that.
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Post by elvisuk on Feb 17, 2009 14:26:44 GMT
H! Roo, I will try "Have you tried installing hard drive to motherboard Sata port number 1 . Remove any jumpers, that you have fitted, regardless of how cold it is. : )" I have not put ant jumpers on (only T-Shirts ) I will have a look and see if every jumper and switch is ok. Yes i did get a manual with it. I will post specks as soon as i dig them up. "Here are some more ideas, for what they are worth." i will try anything all post are welcome and i thank you all for your help whether or not it works, that's why i joined this group
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Post by elvisuk on Feb 17, 2009 14:30:57 GMT
H! KC,
No i am not trying to set a IDE drive up i have a SATA Hardrive and a SATA DVD drive in the computer ;D
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Post by elvisuk on Feb 17, 2009 15:10:37 GMT
H! All, this is my computer it's all new and it's a bundle. (thort it would make life easer?) Motherboard Bundle. Order Code: BB-E2273P Manufacturer Code: BB-E2273P Manufacturer: Novatech www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/barebones.htmlForm Factor Micro Atx Socket Type Intel Dual Core Chipset NVIDIA MCP73P Chipset Max FSB FSB 1333/1066/800/533MHz IDE Type 1 x IDE 4 x SATA Max Bus Speed 1333 Expansion Slots 1 * PCIe x16, 1 * PCIe x1, 2 * PCI Memory Single channel DDR2 1066(oc**)/800/667 x 2 DIMMs, Max. 4GB Audio 7.1 channel HD Audio by Realtek ALC888 LAN 10/100 Lan USB 4 x USB 2.0 IO 1 x Audio jack supports 6 jacks 1 x PS/2 keyboard port 1 x PS/2 mouse port 1 x VGA port 1 HDMI port 4 x USB 2.0 ports 1 x RJ45 LAN port Supplied Memory Installed Memory 2 X 1GB 240 PIN 1.8V 667MHZ DDR2 Free Slots 0 Processor Interface Type LGA775 Clock Speed 2 x 2.2Ghz Cache Level 2 Size 2x512K Architecture Features 65 nm technology Performance Index 2.2Ghz Heatsink & Fan Interface Type 3 Pin Material Alloy Copper Dot Maximum CPU Support Supports Socket 775 for Intel P4 3xx/ 5xx/ 6xx/ Pentium D, Celeron D, Core 2 Duo processors Case Colour Black Chassis Micro ATX Tower PSU Size 400 Watt Drive Bays 5.24" x 4 Drive Bays 3.5" N/A
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