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Post by jojo on Jun 14, 2010 14:51:33 GMT
I really need some help finding the source of a quotation for a paper I'm writing.
It comes from Pre-Revolutionary France. Some time in the 18th century. It was said by an aristocrat who also was either a cardinal or an Arch Bishop.
The quote is. 'It is difficult to sin in the right company'.
The statement was used by the revolutionaries to justify their attacks upon the Church.
I really need to know who said this.
When I was constructing the paper I was absolutely sure I knew who said it. But I can't find any references. I recall reading it in a book about 34 years ago. I was sure it was the Duc du Clauncy. But this is not returning any results in the search.
I must have the name wrong.
If anyone has read or heard this quote before, please can you give me any information you have.
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Post by elvisuk on Jun 14, 2010 18:41:45 GMT
I can't find anything for 'It is difficult to sin in the right company'. anywhere Jojo 
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Post by ken on Jun 14, 2010 19:27:48 GMT
Sounds like something Armand Jean du Plessis, Duc de Richelieu would have said Jojo.
Armand Jean du Plessis, Duc de Richelieu, 1585 - 1642
The only quotes I could find by him were:
•Artifice is allowable in deceiving a rival; we may employ everything against our enemies.
•Carry on any enterprise as if all future success depended on it.
•Had Luther and Calvin been confined before they had begun to dogmatize, the states would have been spared many troubles.
•Harshness towards individuals who flout the laws and commands of the state is for the public good; no greater crime against the public interest is possible than to show leniency to those who violate it.
•I have never had any [enemies], other than those of the state.
•I have the consolation of leaving your kingdom in the highest degree of glory and of reputation.
•If one would give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest man, I would find something in them to have him hanged.
•Never write a letter and never destroy one.
•Nothing so upholds the laws as the punishment of persons whose rank is as great as their crime.
•One must believe neither the people of the palace, who ordinarily measure the power of the king by the shape of his crown, which, being round, has no end, nor those who, in the excesses of an indiscreet zeal, proclaim themselves openly as partisans of Rome.
•Reason must be the universal rule and guide; all things must be done according to reason without allowing oneself to be swayed by emotion.
•Secrecy is the first essential in affairs of the State.
•To know how to dissimulate is the knowledge of kings.
•War is one of the scourges with which it has pleased God to afflict men.
He was such a contraversial figure, he might have been misquoted at a later date.
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Post by jojo on Jun 14, 2010 22:44:27 GMT
Thank you for taking the trouble elvis
Ken, that sounds really promising. It definately rings some bells.
I'll start doing some research on that now. Thanks again.
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Post by ken on Jun 15, 2010 7:09:08 GMT
Your welcome Jojo, good luck and let me know how you get on.
Although Richelieu is 100ish years before the time you are researching, fanatics ofter misquote famous people to suit their own cause. Richelieu was also a very outspoken cardinal and a sinner. It could also be something that Alexandre Dumas put in the, "The Three Musketeers." Richelieu is a main character in that.
Louis XIV also based his rule on Richelieu's policies, so all that era comes back to him.
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